Remote Starter Problem
Remote Starter Problem
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07-07-2010, 06:07 PM
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How about some more information. Lets start with the year and what kind of RS.
Then, how about a step by step description of what's going on. The way it sounds is that you press the start button on the remote, if the engine is cold or it's cold outside, it either spins but doesn't start or starts but shuts right down.
Then, how about a step by step description of what's going on. The way it sounds is that you press the start button on the remote, if the engine is cold or it's cold outside, it either spins but doesn't start or starts but shuts right down.
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07-07-2010, 06:58 PM
ok sorry its a 2004 explorer with a ford motor company RS with keyless entry
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on the face of it, and yes it only acts up when the engine is cold, it starts for a few seconds then shuts off, but when its warm out like today it started and stayed running.
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on the face of it, and yes it only acts up when the engine is cold, it starts for a few seconds then shuts off, but when its warm out like today it started and stayed running.
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07-07-2010, 07:25 PM
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Next set of questions is. who installed it, since it's a ford unit, my guess would be the dealer which is a good thing.
Next would be is this a new problem or one since the unit was installed?
There seems to be some info on line about the unit, I'll link/copy pasta what I can find for you.
Next would be is this a new problem or one since the unit was installed?
There seems to be some info on line about the unit, I'll link/copy pasta what I can find for you.
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http://home.comcast.net/~donpaul/Ford_alarm.pdf
Explorer wiring diagrams start on page 201. I didn't see any reference to diodes, another tech sheet only talks about GEM wake up. If this is a new problem, I'd start by temporarily disabling the hood switch, it's a pretty quick shut down procedure if that is disconnected. Another thing I would spend a few seconds looking at is when it is remote started and shuts down, is the security light on in the cluster?
Explorer wiring diagrams start on page 201. I didn't see any reference to diodes, another tech sheet only talks about GEM wake up. If this is a new problem, I'd start by temporarily disabling the hood switch, it's a pretty quick shut down procedure if that is disconnected. Another thing I would spend a few seconds looking at is when it is remote started and shuts down, is the security light on in the cluster?
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07-07-2010, 07:43 PM
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Here's a tech sheet.
FORD
MODEL YEAR(S)
EXPLORER 2004 -2005
KEY T-HARNESS IMMOBILIZER
FD KEY-4 FD-3 FORD'S SECURILOCK ANTI-THEFT TRANSPONDER SYSTEM, Requires 791 and Extra Ignition Key
PART COLOR LOCATION DIAGRAM
12 VOLT CONSTANT YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
STARTER RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
STARTER 2 N/A
IGNITION 1 RED/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
IGNITION 2 N/A
IGNITION 3 N/A
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 1 DARK GREEN/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 2 N/A
KEYSENSE N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) BROWN (+) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH, GRAY Plug
POWER LOCK PINK/YELLOW (TYPE B) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to REAR of Vehicle
POWER UNLOCK PINK/LIGHT GREEN (TYPE B) See NOTE *1 IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle 18001_EXPLORER_FORD'S GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM.pdf
LOCK MOTOR WIRE PINK/BLACK (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle
DOOR TRIGGER BLACK/LIGHT BLUE (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle
DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION USE DOOR TRIGGER, Requires Part #775 Relay
TRUNK RELEASE ORANGE/LIGHT GREEN (+) or PURPLE/YELLOW (+), Requires Part #775 Relay IN REAR HATCH HARNESS
SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A
HORN YELLOW/LIGHT GREEN (-) or YELLOW/LIGHT BLUE (-) @ STEERING COLUMN, LARGE BLACK HARNESS, in SPLIT LOOM COVERING
TACH Any wire that is NOT WHITE/PURPLE or RED @ IGNITION COIL PACK
WAIT TO START LIGHT N/A
BRAKE TAN/BLACK (+) or LIGHT GREEN (+) @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
FACTORY ALARM DISARM N/A
ANTI-THEFT FORD'S SECURILOCK ANTI-THEFT TRANSPONDER SYSTEM TRANSPONDER @ IGNITION SWITCH TUMBLER
NOTES
NOTE *1 On some vehicle with FACTORY ALARM or KEYLESS ENTRY, after the vehicle sets for a few minutes, if you cannot UNLOCK the door with the AFTERMARKET remote control it will be necessary to WAKE UP the GEM Module. See DIAGRAM under DOOR UNLOCK, GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM. IF the vehicle DOES NOT HAVE a FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY or FACTORY ALARM it is a TYPE C Door Locking System.
MODEL YEAR(S)
EXPLORER 2004 -2005
KEY T-HARNESS IMMOBILIZER
FD KEY-4 FD-3 FORD'S SECURILOCK ANTI-THEFT TRANSPONDER SYSTEM, Requires 791 and Extra Ignition Key
PART COLOR LOCATION DIAGRAM
12 VOLT CONSTANT YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
STARTER RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
STARTER 2 N/A
IGNITION 1 RED/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
IGNITION 2 N/A
IGNITION 3 N/A
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 1 DARK GREEN/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, BLACK Plug
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 2 N/A
KEYSENSE N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) BROWN (+) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH, GRAY Plug
POWER LOCK PINK/YELLOW (TYPE B) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to REAR of Vehicle
POWER UNLOCK PINK/LIGHT GREEN (TYPE B) See NOTE *1 IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle 18001_EXPLORER_FORD'S GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM.pdf
LOCK MOTOR WIRE PINK/BLACK (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle
DOOR TRIGGER BLACK/LIGHT BLUE (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, LARGER of the 2 Harnesses, heading to the REAR of Vehicle
DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION USE DOOR TRIGGER, Requires Part #775 Relay
TRUNK RELEASE ORANGE/LIGHT GREEN (+) or PURPLE/YELLOW (+), Requires Part #775 Relay IN REAR HATCH HARNESS
SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A
HORN YELLOW/LIGHT GREEN (-) or YELLOW/LIGHT BLUE (-) @ STEERING COLUMN, LARGE BLACK HARNESS, in SPLIT LOOM COVERING
TACH Any wire that is NOT WHITE/PURPLE or RED @ IGNITION COIL PACK
WAIT TO START LIGHT N/A
BRAKE TAN/BLACK (+) or LIGHT GREEN (+) @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
FACTORY ALARM DISARM N/A
ANTI-THEFT FORD'S SECURILOCK ANTI-THEFT TRANSPONDER SYSTEM TRANSPONDER @ IGNITION SWITCH TUMBLER
NOTES
NOTE *1 On some vehicle with FACTORY ALARM or KEYLESS ENTRY, after the vehicle sets for a few minutes, if you cannot UNLOCK the door with the AFTERMARKET remote control it will be necessary to WAKE UP the GEM Module. See DIAGRAM under DOOR UNLOCK, GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM. IF the vehicle DOES NOT HAVE a FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY or FACTORY ALARM it is a TYPE C Door Locking System.
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07-10-2010, 04:13 PM
When you remote start it without the truck already started does the "theft" light flash? I install hundreds of remotes a year but not the Ford brand so if there is something I can help you with please let me know. Anyway if your theft light is flashing the transponder bypass is either not programmed or the ring around the cylinder is out of whack.
#10
09-07-2010, 12:56 AM
I wish I could help but I have the same problem.
I have a 2003 F250 7.3L.
I put an aftermarket Clifford alarm with remote start. It does the exact thing you described.
I have been back to the installer several times, but by the time I drive back to their location it is warmed up and wont fail like it does when cold.
I have a 2003 F250 7.3L.
I put an aftermarket Clifford alarm with remote start. It does the exact thing you described.
I have been back to the installer several times, but by the time I drive back to their location it is warmed up and wont fail like it does when cold.
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09-07-2010, 06:57 PM
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The Diesel makes for a few other issues.
MODEL YEAR(S)
F SERIES SUPER DUTY 2002 -2005
KEY T-HARNESS IMMOBILIZER
N/A FD-1 (2002-2005 ONLY) N/A
PART COLOR LOCATION DIAGRAM
12 VOLT CONSTANT YELLOW (+) and LIGHT GREEN/PURPLE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
STARTER DARK GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
STARTER 2 N/A
IGNITION 1 WHITE/YELLOW or RED/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 2 RED/BLACK (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 3 N/A
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 1 GRAY/YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 2 DARK BLUE/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
KEYSENSE N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) BROWN (+) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH
POWER LOCK See NOTE *1
POWER UNLOCK See NOTE *1 26500_F-SERIES-SUPER-DUTY_FORD GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM II.pdf
LOCK MOTOR WIRE PINK/BLACK (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL
DOOR TRIGGER BLACK/LIGHT BLUE (+) IN EITHER KICK PANEL
DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION USE DOOR TRIGGER, Requires Part #775 Relay
TRUNK RELEASE N/A
SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A
HORN DARK BLUE (-) @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS or VSM, See NOTE *2
TACH Any wire that is NOTE RED/LIGHT GREEN, See NOTE *3 @ IGNITON COILS
WAIT TO START LIGHT See NOTE *4
BRAKE LIGHT GREEN (+) @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
FACTORY ALARM DISARM N/A
ANTI-THEFT N/A
NOTES
NOTE *1 Vehicles without FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY are a TYPE "C" Door Locking system, the PINK/YELLOW is for LOCK and the PINK/LIGHT GREEN is for UNLOCK both wires are found in EITHER KICK PANEL, you MUST use the DRIVERS DOOR SWITCH for TESTING. if vehicle is equipped with FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY the Door Locks are a TYPE "B" System, the LOCK is a WHITE/RED (-) and the UNLOCK is a BLACK/WHITE (-) both wires are found at the VSM or in the DRIVERS DOOR HARNESS between the door and the door jam. You MAY also need to connect up the GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM if when you use the REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY and the door locks stop working after a 5 minute wait.
NOTE *2 The VSM (Vehicle Security Module) is located to the RIGHT of the GAS PEDAL, just above the transmission hump and below the RADIO, it is NOT ACCESSIBLE from the radio opening.
NOTE *3 The DIESEL TACH wire is a GREEN/WHITE wire, located in a 5-pin harness held up with tape behind the parking brake release.
NOTE *4 For WAIT TO START LIGHT, do not use the wire in the vehicle, use the 5,10,15 or 20 Second PROGRAMMABLE Wait To Start Timmer on the Remote Starter
F SERIES SUPER DUTY 2002 -2005
KEY T-HARNESS IMMOBILIZER
N/A FD-1 (2002-2005 ONLY) N/A
PART COLOR LOCATION DIAGRAM
12 VOLT CONSTANT YELLOW (+) and LIGHT GREEN/PURPLE (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
STARTER DARK GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
STARTER 2 N/A
IGNITION 1 WHITE/YELLOW or RED/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 2 RED/BLACK (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 3 N/A
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 1 GRAY/YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
ACCESSORY/HEATER BLOWER 2 DARK BLUE/LIGHT GREEN (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
KEYSENSE N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) BROWN (+) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH
POWER LOCK See NOTE *1
POWER UNLOCK See NOTE *1 26500_F-SERIES-SUPER-DUTY_FORD GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM II.pdf
LOCK MOTOR WIRE PINK/BLACK (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL
DOOR TRIGGER BLACK/LIGHT BLUE (+) IN EITHER KICK PANEL
DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION USE DOOR TRIGGER, Requires Part #775 Relay
TRUNK RELEASE N/A
SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A
HORN DARK BLUE (-) @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS or VSM, See NOTE *2
TACH Any wire that is NOTE RED/LIGHT GREEN, See NOTE *3 @ IGNITON COILS
WAIT TO START LIGHT See NOTE *4
BRAKE LIGHT GREEN (+) @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
FACTORY ALARM DISARM N/A
ANTI-THEFT N/A
NOTES
NOTE *1 Vehicles without FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY are a TYPE "C" Door Locking system, the PINK/YELLOW is for LOCK and the PINK/LIGHT GREEN is for UNLOCK both wires are found in EITHER KICK PANEL, you MUST use the DRIVERS DOOR SWITCH for TESTING. if vehicle is equipped with FACTORY KEYLESS ENTRY the Door Locks are a TYPE "B" System, the LOCK is a WHITE/RED (-) and the UNLOCK is a BLACK/WHITE (-) both wires are found at the VSM or in the DRIVERS DOOR HARNESS between the door and the door jam. You MAY also need to connect up the GEM WAKE UP DIAGRAM if when you use the REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY and the door locks stop working after a 5 minute wait.
NOTE *2 The VSM (Vehicle Security Module) is located to the RIGHT of the GAS PEDAL, just above the transmission hump and below the RADIO, it is NOT ACCESSIBLE from the radio opening.
NOTE *3 The DIESEL TACH wire is a GREEN/WHITE wire, located in a 5-pin harness held up with tape behind the parking brake release.
NOTE *4 For WAIT TO START LIGHT, do not use the wire in the vehicle, use the 5,10,15 or 20 Second PROGRAMMABLE Wait To Start Timmer on the Remote Starter
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