Hello I have a 6.0 crew cab superd and it will not start. I came home last night after filling up and park it in my driveway, I get up this morning to go to work and all it does is cranks and hits a litte but just wont start all the way. ANYONE EVER HERD OF THIS BEFORE? ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT

 

Welcome to FTE. Since you've found the generic Super Duty section which covers many different years and many different motors, we'll see if we can't get this thread moved down to the 6.0 diesel section so you can get more help from the ones familiar with your engine.

In the mean time, tell us more about your situation, and please don't leave out anything.

You filled up, are you sure it was diesel and not gas? Engine oil full? Any blown fuses? Any issues on the way home last night? Tank still full? How much have you cranked the engine? (If the voltage falls to low the injectors won't fire). When was the last time you changed the fuel filters? Truck parked level or on an incline?

 

Welcome to the site!

Thread moved to the 6.0l section.
Best of luck with your truck - someone with some guidance will be along shortly

 

No start after fill up. . . that sounds scarily like gasoline to me!
Timmy

 

oK GUYS HERE GOES,i FILLED UP ABOUT 25 MILES FROM MY HOME AND IT DROVE FINE NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. I DOUBLE CHECKED THE DIESEL FROM THE STORE ALREADY (BOUGHT A GALLON IN A JUG) i HAVE NOT CHECKED THE FUSES NOT SURE WHICH ONE TO LOOK FOR. MY TANK IS STILL FULL. AND I HAVE CRANKED THE BATTERY DEAD 4 TIMES,THO IT SEEMS THAT I ONLY HAVE TO CHARGE THE ONE ON THE PASSENGER SIDE TO MAKE IT CRANK. SHOULD I POSSIBLY HAVE TO CHARGE BOTH OF THEM? THANX FOR SUCH A QUICK RESPONSE GUYS!!!!!!!

 

I also drained the water trap and made sure that i had fuel in the bowl and i do. My truck is on a slight incline pointing uphill.

 

Charge both batteries separately. Then load test them. Then try starting. Do not crank so long that it completely discharges the batteries - it is very hard on them.

Check for codes if you can.

How old are your fuel filters (miles)?

 

Less than 250 miles on the filters

 

A "no-start" condition could be from quite a few things. Here are some discussed (some you say you have already done):

• Shift lever not in park or neutral. Try restarting while slightly moving the gearshift lever.
• Bad fuel - drain the HFCM water separator and inspect fuel.
• Clogged air filter – Inspect the filter minder, then inspect and/or replace filter.
• Air in the fuel - most frequently caused by a bad seal on the HFCM cap (or bad o-ring). Replace o-ring, lube w/ oil and re-install carefully.
• No fuel flow (clogged fuel filter, bad HFCM, clogged pump suction line, etc). First, remove secondary fuel filter, empty fuel from bowl, and then turn the key (don't start) to see if HFCM is filling the upper fuel bowl, Then, change filters or, if possible, check fuel pressure if you don't mind a little work to install a gauge (install one on the secondary fuel bowl sample port). You can also blow air through fuel lines if you think they may be plugged.
• Oil problems (foaming, loss of viscosity: too thick or fuel diluted). Check oil level for fuel dilution, inspect oil condition, maybe even change oil and filter. Definitely make sure you filled w/ the proper oil.
• Bad batteries (coupled w/ bad alternator) or bad starter (needs 500 rpm to start IIRC) - load test each batteries and test alternator.
• Bad ground or corroded terminals/wires. Check battery and charging system wires and cables.
• Bad anti-theft system or remote-start system - disconnect system and see if it starts.
• Bad ICP sensor. The ICP sensor harness can be removed and the PCM will establish a default control scheme that would allow the truck to start if the problem were the ICP sensor.
• Bad glow plugs or module. You can make a cursory check on this system if you have an inductive (clamp on) amp meter (200 A at first dropping quickly to 35-37 A is OK. Both modules should read apprx. the same.
• If possible, you can pull the ICP and install a pressure gauge to check the pressure in the “high pressure oil system”. Crank the engine and watch the pressure. You need 500 psig to start.

More things that could cause a "no-start" condition:

• Injector oil latching (or stiction). New flash from the dealership can often times help.
• A stuck or bad injection pressure regulator (IPR).
• Injector o-ring failure (or other type of injector failure).
• Bad Fuel Injection Control Module (FICM).
• Low base oil pressure (failed oil pressure regulator).
• Low base oil pressure (bad low pressure oil pump - LPOP).
• High pressure oil rail o-ring failure.
• High pressure oil stand pipe o-ring failure or the pipe itself.
• The high pressure oil pump (HPOP) stc fitting (if so equipped - 05's particularly prone to this).
• The high pressure oil branch tube.
• A weak HPOP pump.
• A bad PCM (computer).
• Bad Camshaft or Crankshaft sensor.

 

I'm no 6.0 expert, but I'd agree you have to start here. Just because the starter will spin the engine does not mean the IDM is seeing enough voltage to fire the injectors. You have to have voltage for the computer type stuff to work.

 

Here is a troubleshooting guide I have begun (work in progress). Maybe folks can comment on it and we can turn it into a Tech Folder thread!

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 605pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=807 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 605pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 29513" width=807><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15.75pt" height=21><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 605pt; HEIGHT: 15.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl28 height=21 width=807>Troubleshooting a NO-START:</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>Pull diagnostic trouble codes (DTC's) if you can (you can have codes without a Check Engine Light).</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>Automatic transmission fully in PARK or NEUTRAL?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>If manual, clutch pedal fully pressed?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>Battery connections (including ground) - all good?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>Starter relay connections - all good?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl27 height=17>Glow plug connectors making good connection?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Is the starter engaging? Verify starter and ignition switch are working properly.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Load test BOTH batteries and check the charging system (alternator)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Fusible links and fuses OK?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Could an anti-theft device be causing the problem?</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Check PCM and FICM connections</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Verify that the oil level is correct and the proper oil and filter have been installed</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Verify that the air filter is not plugged.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Inspect the ICP sensor and harness. Is it oil soaked. Disconnect the ICP and try again.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Change both fuel filters, inspect appearance of the fuel when draining the water separator, makes sure the air is purged.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Check for leaks in the fuel system and verify that the upper fuel filter is being filled</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>If you can, verify the fuel pressure. Must be over 45 psig.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>If possible, verify high pressure oil pressure (ICP sensor) - must be over 500 psig to fire the injectors</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 27pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=36><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 605pt; HEIGHT: 27pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl26 height=36 width=807>Pull the EGR valve and inspect. Clean if dirty. Check the strength of the spring. Consider replacing it - just because.
Also clean the MAP sensor hose and the EBP tube.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Troubleshoot the glow plug system (you need a clamp on inductive ammeter). Test each module wire bundle separately, then test each glow plug.</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl29 height=17>Carry out the KOEO Injector Electrical Self-Test (Click Test)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" height=17>Check for wire chaffing:</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl25 height=17>Wire Chaffing Locations</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl24 height=17>http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forum...1&d=1208412696</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl25 height=17>FICM and ICP harness recall</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl24 height=17>http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articl...icle-05-13.php</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl24 height=17>http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articl...icle-05-11.php</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.5pt" height=18><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; HEIGHT: 13.5pt; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8" class=xl25 height=18>mms://multimedia.ford.com/seopts/Tech12_250k.wmv</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

Ok i got the drivers side battery charging. The little eye on it was red not the full charge green like my boat battery,so im thinking we may be onto somthing!!!!!!!

 

You need to watch draining the batteries because it can cause you to fry your FICM and its about 1150.00 installed.

 

Ok,i didint know that ive crankedem down a few times now. Hope i havent already did that.....thanks

 

Ok, I just got home from work and tried the fresh full charged batteries,and it stll wont start....But my god does it try hard,almost to the point of running ...Its puttin out alot of thick black smoke tho while it hittin..Any suggestions???