Sterling 10.25 Pinion seal replacement?
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Sterling 10.25 Pinion seal replacement?
I'm hoping to reduce the play in my 87 f250's sterling 10.25 yoke (companion flange) by tightening the pinion nut and replacing the seal.
I have some spec's for 160 ft lbs and 8-14 in lbs for the rotation preload (axleshafts removed). I'm trying to avoid a $950 trip to the shop. The yoke is loose side to side,but I'n not hearing any noise from the ring/pinion.
Any advise welcomed.
Thanks, Mike
I have some spec's for 160 ft lbs and 8-14 in lbs for the rotation preload (axleshafts removed). I'm trying to avoid a $950 trip to the shop. The yoke is loose side to side,but I'n not hearing any noise from the ring/pinion.
Any advise welcomed.
Thanks, Mike
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Another stumbling block: The companion flange on my truck doesn't look like the one in my repair manual. The one they show has a wide flat flange with numerous holes. Mine is much smaller diameter with no holes, but instead has shallow spines on the outside. With the wider flange you can use a screwdriver in one of the holes to hold the flange while you tighten the pinion nut. On mine it seems like you would need a special tool or else a large pipe wrench to hold it.
Mike
Mike
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I have worn out several yokes on the rear axle.
The yoke metal is rather soft, the splines stretch and let the yoke move.
When this happens, the lube is actually going between the pinion shaft and the yoke, not through the seal.
Don't know if that was a design consideration, but I have never had to replace internal axle parts except for when I tried running a locker.
Yes I have even twisted the yoke off the pinion shaft, but the internal parts were still OK.
I would much rather replace a yoke than a ring gear and pinion.
The yoke metal is rather soft, the splines stretch and let the yoke move.
When this happens, the lube is actually going between the pinion shaft and the yoke, not through the seal.
Don't know if that was a design consideration, but I have never had to replace internal axle parts except for when I tried running a locker.
Yes I have even twisted the yoke off the pinion shaft, but the internal parts were still OK.
I would much rather replace a yoke than a ring gear and pinion.
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Dave, I did a search and found your post about the pinion nut being loose sometimes. Mine only had about 30ft lbs of tork. I tightened it up to about(couldn't find my good tork wrench, used an old one) 150ft lbs.
I didn't do the no load torq testing for 8-14 lbs preload as I didn't have time to pull the axleshafts. Neither Napa nor Autozone had crush shims in stock.
I'm hoping that since I didn't tork the nut to 160 per spec at least the preload won't be too tight.
Thanks,
Mike
I didn't do the no load torq testing for 8-14 lbs preload as I didn't have time to pull the axleshafts. Neither Napa nor Autozone had crush shims in stock.
I'm hoping that since I didn't tork the nut to 160 per spec at least the preload won't be too tight.
Thanks,
Mike
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I have worn out several yokes on the rear axle.
The yoke metal is rather soft, the splines stretch and let the yoke move.
When this happens, the lube is actually going between the pinion shaft and the yoke, not through the seal.
Don't know if that was a design consideration, but I have never had to replace internal axle parts except for when I tried running a locker.
Yes I have even twisted the yoke off the pinion shaft, but the internal parts were still OK.
I would much rather replace a yoke than a ring gear and pinion.
The yoke metal is rather soft, the splines stretch and let the yoke move.
When this happens, the lube is actually going between the pinion shaft and the yoke, not through the seal.
Don't know if that was a design consideration, but I have never had to replace internal axle parts except for when I tried running a locker.
Yes I have even twisted the yoke off the pinion shaft, but the internal parts were still OK.
I would much rather replace a yoke than a ring gear and pinion.
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As I was torqing the pinion nut, it almost seemed, at about 150 lbs, to slip a bit, like when a nut rounds off. I wonder if this was the yoke spine slipping over the pinion shaft? Hard to imagine that, though.
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
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As I was torqing the pinion nut, it almost seemed, at about 150 lbs, to slip a bit, like when a nut rounds off. I wonder if this was the yoke spine slipping over the pinion shaft? Hard to imagine that, though.
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
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As I was torqing the pinion nut, it almost seemed, at about 150 lbs, to slip a bit, like when a nut rounds off. I wonder if this was the yoke spine slipping over the pinion shaft? Hard to imagine that, though.
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I just had the same problem with the f350 chassis cab I was working on. I thought the seal was bad, but the yoke was loose. Being suspicious, I pulled the yoke completely out, and could see the splines in the id of the yoke were worn. Unfortunately, the guy who owned the truck did not want to buy a new one, but wanted to tighten the old one up. I put my inpact wrench on high and cranked it down, and so far it;s holding, but I expect it to work loose again.
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Mostly I was interested in what your set-up was, THANKS!
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As I was torqing the pinion nut, it almost seemed, at about 150 lbs, to slip a bit, like when a nut rounds off. I wonder if this was the yoke spine slipping over the pinion shaft? Hard to imagine that, though.
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I still would like to know what caused the nut to loosen in the first place?
I replaced the universals about 10,000 mi ago. I just finished a 20,000 mi voyage with 3,000 lb camper, primarily on rough steep backcountry roads.
mike
I also experienced the slipping you describe but if you look at the pinion nut it has some ridges on the mating surface - it is those ridges bumping in and out of the corresponding grooves, so nothing to worry about there. I freaked out at first as well - thought I had stripped the pinion or nut.
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Thanks Fuzzy,
That's just what I wanted to hear. Before I got your post, I did check with my shop and explained all this to them. They also said to just keep checking it for looseness and as long as there was some little slack in the pinion/ring it was probably fine. The fourwheeler mag article talked about applying some silicone to the yoke "mating surface" before reinserting it.
Thanks to all for the help.
Mike
That's just what I wanted to hear. Before I got your post, I did check with my shop and explained all this to them. They also said to just keep checking it for looseness and as long as there was some little slack in the pinion/ring it was probably fine. The fourwheeler mag article talked about applying some silicone to the yoke "mating surface" before reinserting it.
Thanks to all for the help.
Mike
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