O2 Sensors, How many and where?
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O2 Sensors, How many and where?
Ever striving to improve gas mileage, (I get 13-15 mpg in town and 17-19 mpg highway), I decided to change the oxygen sensors on my , '96 AWD, 4L. It's got 126,000 miles and I suspect that the sensors have never been changed.
Yesterday, I went to Autozone and their computer says I need one downstream (bosch 15717) and 2 upstream (bosch 15718) the cat. Unfortunately, they didn't have the 2 upstream units in stock. I got the one downstream and headed across the street to Advance. Their computer showed only one needed for upstream, (bosch 15718), which they did have in stock, so I got it too. Looking under the vehicle, I can easily see the downstream sensor and it looks like not a problem to change, although the wire connector maybe harder to find. Likewise, I can see only one upstream sensor. It also looks easy to unscrew and remove.
So who's right? Is there a second upstream sensor that I can't see? Where is it? Any tips on changing these out would be appreciated.
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Yesterday, I went to Autozone and their computer says I need one downstream (bosch 15717) and 2 upstream (bosch 15718) the cat. Unfortunately, they didn't have the 2 upstream units in stock. I got the one downstream and headed across the street to Advance. Their computer showed only one needed for upstream, (bosch 15718), which they did have in stock, so I got it too. Looking under the vehicle, I can easily see the downstream sensor and it looks like not a problem to change, although the wire connector maybe harder to find. Likewise, I can see only one upstream sensor. It also looks easy to unscrew and remove.
So who's right? Is there a second upstream sensor that I can't see? Where is it? Any tips on changing these out would be appreciated.
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Last edited by Dracoscott; 09-05-2005 at 11:33 AM.
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Same question, except for a 93 3.0 liter. Does the 3.0 have more then two O2 sensors? I took the van out for it's maiden voyage after the tranny was rebuilt. Tranny shifts fine, but the van lacks any power above 60 mph ( I know, it's not a rocket, but it used to do better) I get an occasional CEL if I run hard ( climbing a hill or highway driving for extended periods) but it goes away and comes back. CEL was happening before tranny went, but I didn't notice mileage being THAT bad.
Loose wire, or bad 02 sensors? Right now, I am only averaging 16 mpg for mostly highway driving. I was getting over 20 on the highway. I'm thinking 02 sensor.
Loose wire, or bad 02 sensors? Right now, I am only averaging 16 mpg for mostly highway driving. I was getting over 20 on the highway. I'm thinking 02 sensor.
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focusyn
what is CEL code?
is the new tranny shifting into OD and can u tell if it's going into torque converter lockup which is not as noticible? either not working, major effect on gas mileage.
depending on what was replaced in auto tranny, full master rebuild-all clutch packs, torque converter, bushings, bearings etc, turning resistance will be higher until broke in.
if just a quicky band-clutch disk replace, then you have other problems than auto.
take back to tranny shop and get the problem on record.
what is CEL code?
is the new tranny shifting into OD and can u tell if it's going into torque converter lockup which is not as noticible? either not working, major effect on gas mileage.
depending on what was replaced in auto tranny, full master rebuild-all clutch packs, torque converter, bushings, bearings etc, turning resistance will be higher until broke in.
if just a quicky band-clutch disk replace, then you have other problems than auto.
take back to tranny shop and get the problem on record.
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Originally Posted by focusyn
Same question, except for a 93 3.0 liter. Does the 3.0 have more then two O2 sensors? I took the van out for it's maiden voyage after the tranny was rebuilt. Tranny shifts fine, but the van lacks any power above 60 mph ( I know, it's not a rocket, but it used to do better) I get an occasional CEL if I run hard ( climbing a hill or highway driving for extended periods) but it goes away and comes back. CEL was happening before tranny went, but I didn't notice mileage being THAT bad.
Loose wire, or bad 02 sensors? Right now, I am only averaging 16 mpg for mostly highway driving. I was getting over 20 on the highway. I'm thinking 02 sensor.
Loose wire, or bad 02 sensors? Right now, I am only averaging 16 mpg for mostly highway driving. I was getting over 20 on the highway. I'm thinking 02 sensor.
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Originally Posted by 96_4wdr
focusyn
what is CEL code?
is the new tranny shifting into OD and can u tell if it's going into torque converter lockup which is not as noticible? either not working, major effect on gas mileage.
depending on what was replaced in auto tranny, full master rebuild-all clutch packs, torque converter, bushings, bearings etc, turning resistance will be higher until broke in.
if just a quicky band-clutch disk replace, then you have other problems than auto.
take back to tranny shop and get the problem on record.
what is CEL code?
is the new tranny shifting into OD and can u tell if it's going into torque converter lockup which is not as noticible? either not working, major effect on gas mileage.
depending on what was replaced in auto tranny, full master rebuild-all clutch packs, torque converter, bushings, bearings etc, turning resistance will be higher until broke in.
if just a quicky band-clutch disk replace, then you have other problems than auto.
take back to tranny shop and get the problem on record.
I was thinking that new tranny parts might have something to do with it, but I am pretty sure it's the oxygen sensor or something to do with emissions.