97 f-150 starter problem
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97 f-150 starter problem
1997 Ford F-150 4.2L V6
Hello everyone. I need some assistance with and issue I'm having.
I got into my truck yesterday and went to turn it on. The motor cranked half way then quit. Now everyone time I attempt to turn it on all I hear is a click and nothing else. A friend of mine who is pretty good with cars took a look at it with me. He tested my starter with a volt meter and said everything seems fine. We proceeded and checked all fuses, non of which we found are blown.
We then focused on the starter soleniod. We were able to get the truck running by arcing the 2 lower big terminals. I purchased a new solenoid thinking that was the problem, however repalcing it solved nothing. Same problem is still present.
I have now arc the terminals to get the truck started 2-3 times in order to get to a shop. They spent all day looking things over and are pointing the problem to a bad starter relay. (i thought the starter relay was actually the same thing as the starter solenoid) Anyways they told us they have looked over all the diagrams they have access to and cannot locate the location of the starter relay. (maybe becasue its the soleniod?..)
If anyone can help me with this probelm I would greatly appreciate it. Maybe you have toubleshooted this same problem on this truck. I own a business and we are having a record year, however this is currently the only work truck i have (had) available. So now my business is basically closed until i get this problem resolved.
thanks again. any and all input is much appreciated.
Hello everyone. I need some assistance with and issue I'm having.
I got into my truck yesterday and went to turn it on. The motor cranked half way then quit. Now everyone time I attempt to turn it on all I hear is a click and nothing else. A friend of mine who is pretty good with cars took a look at it with me. He tested my starter with a volt meter and said everything seems fine. We proceeded and checked all fuses, non of which we found are blown.
We then focused on the starter soleniod. We were able to get the truck running by arcing the 2 lower big terminals. I purchased a new solenoid thinking that was the problem, however repalcing it solved nothing. Same problem is still present.
I have now arc the terminals to get the truck started 2-3 times in order to get to a shop. They spent all day looking things over and are pointing the problem to a bad starter relay. (i thought the starter relay was actually the same thing as the starter solenoid) Anyways they told us they have looked over all the diagrams they have access to and cannot locate the location of the starter relay. (maybe becasue its the soleniod?..)
If anyone can help me with this probelm I would greatly appreciate it. Maybe you have toubleshooted this same problem on this truck. I own a business and we are having a record year, however this is currently the only work truck i have (had) available. So now my business is basically closed until i get this problem resolved.
thanks again. any and all input is much appreciated.
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I'm not positive on the 4.2 but there should be a starter relay on the passenger side firewall that sends power to the solenoid on the starter. Follow the harness up from the starter and you'll find it.If that relay is failing you will not get signal power to the one on the starter.
The part I replaced was on the passenger side firewall. It was called a starter solenoid. Atleast thats what the parts store called it.
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Yes,there is one on the starter as well,that is the one I thought you were jumping to make it start.If you are crossing the one on the firewall and it starts the one on the starter must be good.
Check for power at the small terminal (wire) at the firewall relay,the one that you changed, when you turn the key to start. If no it could be a problem with the transmission range sensor for automatic trans or clutch position switch if you have a standard, commonly know as the "neutral safety switch"
Check for power at the small terminal (wire) at the firewall relay,the one that you changed, when you turn the key to start. If no it could be a problem with the transmission range sensor for automatic trans or clutch position switch if you have a standard, commonly know as the "neutral safety switch"
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If the relay on the passenger side firewall does NOT click when the key is turned to the start position then it could be a nuteral safety problem?
If it does click, what would be the next thing in line to check?
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Here is the starting lineup!
Beginning at the ignition switch in start position, battery is supplied to the DTR (neutral start switch at the transmission) then back to the start solenoid on the fire wall that has ground on one of it's terminals.
This bring up the solenoid that.......closes through.....a second high current path to the starter motor and it's 'contactor' with the ability to engage the drive to the flywheel.
You have a primary path which is a slave relay (on the fire wall) and a second path which is the high current path from the battery through either a fusable link or a high current fuse.
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If you cross the firewall terminals to bring up that start solenoid and it cranks the motor, it says the solenoid is not getting battery through from the igniton switch and the DTR. The second circuit is good.
Try it both in Park and Neutral to see if one of the path works.
If yes, the DTR has an issue with one of the paths.
If neither one works, the harness or plug has a fault or the fuse is blown feeding the start function to the ignition switch.
Pull the plug apart at the transmission and inspect it for corrosion.
Find the fuse that feeds the ignition switch. Test it for being good not just look at it.
One of these points should be the problem.
Good luck.
Beginning at the ignition switch in start position, battery is supplied to the DTR (neutral start switch at the transmission) then back to the start solenoid on the fire wall that has ground on one of it's terminals.
This bring up the solenoid that.......closes through.....a second high current path to the starter motor and it's 'contactor' with the ability to engage the drive to the flywheel.
You have a primary path which is a slave relay (on the fire wall) and a second path which is the high current path from the battery through either a fusable link or a high current fuse.
.
If you cross the firewall terminals to bring up that start solenoid and it cranks the motor, it says the solenoid is not getting battery through from the igniton switch and the DTR. The second circuit is good.
Try it both in Park and Neutral to see if one of the path works.
If yes, the DTR has an issue with one of the paths.
If neither one works, the harness or plug has a fault or the fuse is blown feeding the start function to the ignition switch.
Pull the plug apart at the transmission and inspect it for corrosion.
Find the fuse that feeds the ignition switch. Test it for being good not just look at it.
One of these points should be the problem.
Good luck.
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Here is the starting lineup!
Beginning at the ignition switch in start position, battery is supplied to the DTR (neutral start switch at the transmission) then back to the start solenoid on the fire wall that has ground on one of it's terminals.
This bring up the solenoid that.......closes through.....a second high current path to the starter motor and it's 'contactor' with the ability to engage the drive to the flywheel.
You have a primary path which is a slave relay (on the fire wall) and a second path which is the high current path from the battery through either a fusable link or a high current fuse.
.
If you cross the firewall terminals to bring up that start solenoid and it cranks the motor, it says the solenoid is not getting battery through from the igniton switch and the DTR. The second circuit is good.
Try it both in Park and Neutral to see if one of the path works.
If yes, the DTR has an issue with one of the paths.
If neither one works, the harness or plug has a fault or the fuse is blown feeding the start function to the ignition switch.
Pull the plug apart at the transmission and inspect it for corrosion.
Find the fuse that feeds the ignition switch. Test it for being good not just look at it.
One of these points should be the problem.
Good luck.
Beginning at the ignition switch in start position, battery is supplied to the DTR (neutral start switch at the transmission) then back to the start solenoid on the fire wall that has ground on one of it's terminals.
This bring up the solenoid that.......closes through.....a second high current path to the starter motor and it's 'contactor' with the ability to engage the drive to the flywheel.
You have a primary path which is a slave relay (on the fire wall) and a second path which is the high current path from the battery through either a fusable link or a high current fuse.
.
If you cross the firewall terminals to bring up that start solenoid and it cranks the motor, it says the solenoid is not getting battery through from the igniton switch and the DTR. The second circuit is good.
Try it both in Park and Neutral to see if one of the path works.
If yes, the DTR has an issue with one of the paths.
If neither one works, the harness or plug has a fault or the fuse is blown feeding the start function to the ignition switch.
Pull the plug apart at the transmission and inspect it for corrosion.
Find the fuse that feeds the ignition switch. Test it for being good not just look at it.
One of these points should be the problem.
Good luck.
I'll keep everyone posted. Any other ideas and pointers would be helpful.
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Just curious I have never touched a 4.2
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Ok so it seems that there was a blown fuse. I cannot believe that I missed this as I actually checked them with a meter myself. Must have skipped over it.
The shop also skipped over the fuse the first time around. The tech assigned to the truck had a fresh set of eyes look at it and he found the fuse.
Fuse replaced and everything is perfect now. Thanks everyones help. Luckly it was something simple and not costly.
The shop also skipped over the fuse the first time around. The tech assigned to the truck had a fresh set of eyes look at it and he found the fuse.
Fuse replaced and everything is perfect now. Thanks everyones help. Luckly it was something simple and not costly.
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Ok so it seems that there was a blown fuse. I cannot believe that I missed this as I actually checked them with a meter myself. Must have skipped over it.
The shop also skipped over the fuse the first time around. The tech assigned to the truck had a fresh set of eyes look at it and he found the fuse.
Fuse replaced and everything is perfect now. Thanks everyones help. Luckly it was something simple and not costly.
The shop also skipped over the fuse the first time around. The tech assigned to the truck had a fresh set of eyes look at it and he found the fuse.
Fuse replaced and everything is perfect now. Thanks everyones help. Luckly it was something simple and not costly.
I am probably replacing the relay on the firewall tonight...probably a waste of money but trying anything since I'm on my wife's side of the garage
I jumped the relay and got sparks.
I jumped the solenoid on the starter and got sparks....
I suck at electrical.