Dad's ZF5 Swap
#632
Hadn't thought about an early Bronco's clearance. Good question! I was told that I couldn't use factory manifolds, that I'd have to use headers. But, if headers clear the tranny better then you will be better off with factory manifolds as they are obviously hugging the tranny closer.
It'll take me a bit to pull the file. It is currently in TurboCAD format, but I can send it as a pdf of the drawings.
It'll take me a bit to pull the file. It is currently in TurboCAD format, but I can send it as a pdf of the drawings.
With the 400 currently in the bronco (TM build) I hear running aftermarket headers don't gain much over stock manifolds - which iam currently running. I think most aftermarket headers (i dont think there is a wide selection) will be a problem since the Early Bronco have such a narrow frame.
Aftermarket headers would definitely be an unwelcome expense...
I will post up over with the Bronco guys and see what they have to say, there are a few running a 400 in theirs..
Thanks, PDF's would be fine i would imagine. I will have to find someone to do the work but living in the city I shouldn't have much of a problem.
#633
The small gain that headers give really don't justify the headaches and expense they cause.That's just my 0.02. Dodge, Ford and Chewy didn't have any problems making plenty of HP and torque back in the 60's and 70's with cast iron exhaust manifolds.
Ask Gary Lewis what he thinks about my headers in the 87 Bronco.
Ask Gary Lewis what he thinks about my headers in the 87 Bronco.
#634
The small gain that headers give really don't justify the headaches and expense they cause.That's just my 0.02. Dodge, Ford and Chewy didn't have any problems making plenty of HP and torque back in the 60's and 70's with cast iron exhaust manifolds.
Ask Gary Lewis what he thinks about my headers in the 87 Bronco.
Ask Gary Lewis what he thinks about my headers in the 87 Bronco.
#635
#638
Congradulations on an excellent job/description on a M/ZF swap Gary.
I wish I could have been more helpful when I first described my 77F150 351M/NP205 4 speed to ZF conversion.I guess the one thing I did achieve way back then was to prove that it was possible.I'm not saying I was the first person to ever do the swap,but if someone had successfully done one,they sure were not sharing it online!
Haven't been on this site for awhile.Glad to hear that you and Bruno are still in the mix.
Once again,congrads on a fantastic article.
kenmt
I wish I could have been more helpful when I first described my 77F150 351M/NP205 4 speed to ZF conversion.I guess the one thing I did achieve way back then was to prove that it was possible.I'm not saying I was the first person to ever do the swap,but if someone had successfully done one,they sure were not sharing it online!
Haven't been on this site for awhile.Glad to hear that you and Bruno are still in the mix.
Once again,congrads on a fantastic article.
kenmt
#639
Congradulations on an excellent job/description on a M/ZF swap Gary.
I wish I could have been more helpful when I first described my 77F150 351M/NP205 4 speed to ZF conversion.I guess the one thing I did achieve way back then was to prove that it was possible.I'm not saying I was the first person to ever do the swap,but if someone had successfully done one,they sure were not sharing it online!
Haven't been on this site for awhile.Glad to hear that you and Bruno are still in the mix.
Once again,congrads on a fantastic article.
kenmt
I wish I could have been more helpful when I first described my 77F150 351M/NP205 4 speed to ZF conversion.I guess the one thing I did achieve way back then was to prove that it was possible.I'm not saying I was the first person to ever do the swap,but if someone had successfully done one,they sure were not sharing it online!
Haven't been on this site for awhile.Glad to hear that you and Bruno are still in the mix.
Once again,congrads on a fantastic article.
kenmt
As for Bruno, he doesn't get to play truck as much as I think he wants to. Has something called a "business" he runs and has to go to "work". But he must be good as he gets a few hours off every once in a while.
#640
Files & Pictures
Here are the as-built drawings in both pdf and jpg format. Since I'm not a machinist nor a draftsman the drawings probably don't have all of the needed details, so please let me know if more is needed.
But, one more thing - note the .150" chamfer on the spacer where it meets the flywheel. I chucked the flywheel up on the lathe and increased the chamfer on it so I could have a larger chamfer on the spacer - and therefore more "meat" between the outside and inside corners.
And, I should point out that it is critical that the front and back faces of the spacer be truly parallel to each other. To ensure that I used a process suggested by Ken Blythen where I turned the front face and the pocket of the spacer and then removed it from the lathe. Then I chucked up another piece of material and created a faux crank with a through hole. Then I mounted the partially-finished spacer on the faux crank, w/o removing it from the chuck, by using a through-bolt. Then I turned the rear face of the spacer to size. Sure enough, when I mounted the flywheel to the crank via the spacer the runout on the edge of the flywheel was well within factory spec.
But, one more thing - note the .150" chamfer on the spacer where it meets the flywheel. I chucked the flywheel up on the lathe and increased the chamfer on it so I could have a larger chamfer on the spacer - and therefore more "meat" between the outside and inside corners.
And, I should point out that it is critical that the front and back faces of the spacer be truly parallel to each other. To ensure that I used a process suggested by Ken Blythen where I turned the front face and the pocket of the spacer and then removed it from the lathe. Then I chucked up another piece of material and created a faux crank with a through hole. Then I mounted the partially-finished spacer on the faux crank, w/o removing it from the chuck, by using a through-bolt. Then I turned the rear face of the spacer to size. Sure enough, when I mounted the flywheel to the crank via the spacer the runout on the edge of the flywheel was well within factory spec.
Last edited by Gary Lewis; 08-16-2013 at 01:05 PM. Reason: additional info
#641
Here are the as-built drawings in both pdf and jpg format. Since I'm not a machinist nor a draftsman the drawings probably don't have all of the needed details, so please let me know if more is needed.
But, one more thing - note the .150" chamfer on the spacer where it meets the flywheel. I chucked the flywheel up on the lathe and increased the chamfer on it so I could have a larger chamfer on the spacer - and therefore more "meat" between the outside and inside corners.
And, I should point out that it is critical that the front and back faces of the spacer be truly parallel to each other. To ensure that I used a process suggested by Ken Blythen where I turned the front face and the pocket of the spacer and then removed it from the lathe. Then I chucked up another piece of material and created a faux crank with a through hole. Then I mounted the partially-finished spacer on the faux crank, w/o removing it from the chuck, by using a through-bolt. Then I turned the rear face of the spacer to size. Sure enough, when I mounted the flywheel to the crank via the spacer the runout on the edge of the flywheel was well within factory spec.
But, one more thing - note the .150" chamfer on the spacer where it meets the flywheel. I chucked the flywheel up on the lathe and increased the chamfer on it so I could have a larger chamfer on the spacer - and therefore more "meat" between the outside and inside corners.
And, I should point out that it is critical that the front and back faces of the spacer be truly parallel to each other. To ensure that I used a process suggested by Ken Blythen where I turned the front face and the pocket of the spacer and then removed it from the lathe. Then I chucked up another piece of material and created a faux crank with a through hole. Then I mounted the partially-finished spacer on the faux crank, w/o removing it from the chuck, by using a through-bolt. Then I turned the rear face of the spacer to size. Sure enough, when I mounted the flywheel to the crank via the spacer the runout on the edge of the flywheel was well within factory spec.
#642
#643
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post13431963
#644
No i didn't get a PM, just the list you posted in this thread
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post13431963
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post13431963
#645